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hello my friends this is deepak chopra
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again
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and we are continuing our series on
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cutting-edge science and spirituality
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and
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today it’s my great honor and privilege
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to welcome lynn mctaggart who i’ve known
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for
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over 20 years she’s a pioneer
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in understanding the role of
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intentionality
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and how intention works and
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uh thank you for joining us uh lynn
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thank you so much deepak it’s great to
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be with you
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so we know in these
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podcasts or whatever you want to call
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them these conversations i’ve realized
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that most of the world doesn’t know who
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i am or
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who you are so can you
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start by giving us a little idea about
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your career what you do now how you got
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interested
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in this whole domain of intentionality
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and how it works
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but let’s start from the beginning where
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you grew up
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what your profession was and where you
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are now
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okay well i i grew up in ridgewood new
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jersey
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and my desire from a young age was to be
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a writer and i got very interested in
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journalism
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and the idea of investigative reporting
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when i was a young teenager and i saw
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woodring bernstein you know take down a
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corrupt president
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and to me i thought wow that’s you know
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to be a member of the fourth estate
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and to hold governments and things to
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account was just my idea of perfection
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so i started out my life in my 20s as an
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investigative reporter
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and my work was doing things like
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uncovering baby selling rings
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you know with hidden tape recorders and
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all that sort of thing and i
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you know i busted a number of baby
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selling rings around the world
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i got interested in medicine
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and questions about alternative medicine
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after that really after i got ill and no
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one could tell me what was wrong with me
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so i went from the very conventional
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approach to the very outer rim of
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alternative medicine and
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this was back in the 80s nobody could
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sort me out
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so i finally thought well i might have
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to take control of this myself
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and i researched what i thought i had
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and i
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found a pioneering doctor nutritional
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doctor an integrative specialist as we’d
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call him today
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who figured out my problem was a faulty
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microbiome
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which is very common now but wasn’t then
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and
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so because it was such an interesting
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and heading new experience
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i got very excited about it and probably
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pretty boring
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on it too deepak i was telling everybody
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and my husband finally said to me stop
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telling me tell the world
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so we set up a magazine well a
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newsletter back then called
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what doctors don’t tell you which was
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all about
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conventional what works and what doesn’t
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in conventional
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and alternative medicine and in the
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course of that where we were studying
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medical literature etc
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i started seeing these really good
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studies of spiritual healing
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this is back in the 1990s and i kept
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thinking to myself
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if you can have a thought and send it to
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someone else
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and make them better then that
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undermines everything we think about how
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the world works
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so i set out trying to figure out why
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that could work by talking to a lot of
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frontier scientists
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physicists biologists etc figuring they
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were going to tell me there’s something
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like human energy fields
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and what came out of that what i
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realized
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soon enough and i thought it was going
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to be an easy prospect
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but i found that each of them had a
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little piece
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of what compounded into a completely new
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science a new view of the world
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so that book that became the field
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and that essentially hijacked me and
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changed the messenger because
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i then got consumed fascinated
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and involved in the science of
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spirituality
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and it’s been from there that
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probably just curiosity and wanting to
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know more
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and unfinished business that set me on
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the path
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with the intention experiment the bond
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and now my
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my latest book the power of eight so
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let’s
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talk about this book do you have it
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somewhere in your hand
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yeah i do get up please thank you let’s
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all see
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the power of eight violin mick taggart
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she’s a pioneer in in
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intention experiments and field
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experiments
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consciousness field experiments so that
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is the book
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and you it’s available everywhere right
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we’ll show it again um i wish i had a
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copyright in front of me but we’ll show
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it and we’ll put it
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there so tell us about this book the
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part of it
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well the power of it
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grew out of my intention experiments
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since 2007
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and that’s probably around the time
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i came to see you it was right after
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that
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when you started the evolutionary
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leaders and i came to see you and a lot
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of other leaders like that
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and i remember us talking about it i was
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curious because there were a lot of
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scientists talking about
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and showing experiments showing that
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thing thoughts are
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an actual something with the capacity to
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change physical matter
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so again that hard-nosed reporter in me
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wanted to know well how far can we take
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this you know
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are we talking about just you know
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shifting a quantum particle
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or are we talking about curing cancer
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with our thoughts
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and i was also very curious about what
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happens when
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lots of people are thinking the same
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thought at the same time
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so by that time i knew a lot of
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scientists in consciousness research
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in lots of prestigious universities and
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i also um had a lot of readers from
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the field um it was in 30 languages at
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that time
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so i figured if i just put them together
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i’d have this giant global laboratory to
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test this
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and i wasn’t really sure it was going to
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work
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in fact i was pretty sure it wasn’t
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going to be a big effect
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but we’ve run 36 experiments to date
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everything from trying to make plants
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grow faster
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and what we would do is uh a scientist
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would set up a well-controlled
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experiment at one of the
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prestigious universities like university
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of like penn state
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uh like university of california
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paris university of arizona many in the
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u in the uk
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princeton in fact one of the experiments
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was run by
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our mutual late friend rustam roy dr
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ruston roy
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but we did everything from little stuff
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like trying to make seeds grow faster to
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trying to move water over by one ph
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and then we started doing things like
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piece experiments and
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lowering and even lowering violence in
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war-torn areas and
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violent areas and even uh trying to heal
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people particularly in one instance
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a gulf war veteran a veteran
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of ptsd and of those 36
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32 have shown measurable positive mostly
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significant effects
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so that was pretty amazing to me
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and back in 2008 i wanted to do
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something like this scale it down into
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a workshop but i wasn’t really sure what
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to do
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and so i was kicking this around with my
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husband brian hubbard
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one day and i said i don’t know maybe
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i’ll put them in groups of eight or so
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with and have them send healing
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intention to a member of the group with
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a health challenge
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and my husband’s also a journalist and a
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very good headline writer and he said
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i love it the power of eight and that is
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literally how it started by complete
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accident
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so we put people in groups we had them
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send healing intention at our first
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workshop it was chicago and
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i figured it was going to be a very mild
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healing of you know
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feel-good effect like getting a back rub
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or having a facial
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but that’s not what happened we did it
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one day we had them come back the next
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day and we asked the recipients to
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report on what had happened
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and we got things like this i have
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terrible knee arthritis and i’m walking
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normally today
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i have terrible gut issues and my gut
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feels normal today
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i have you know migraines and my head’s
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clear
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one woman said i have cataracts and they
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feel like they’re 80 percent better
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so i was very disbelieving
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of all of this i thought well this is
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just a placebo effect
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until i started running it over and over
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and over again
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and found that these little groups
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while not everybody got healed there
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were enough
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of these kind of instant healings or
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improvements
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to say something is going on here
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it was pretty scary to me though deepak
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because
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i’m not you know i i’ve never put myself
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forward as a healer
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or anything like that and so the book
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was really my attempt to understand it
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it took me ten years to get the courage
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to write that book
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um i kept putting it aside and putting
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it aside
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but there were so many elements to
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why group intention is healing
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that i really wanted to find out
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okay so now we’ve covered your work
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what is going on so please tell me what
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your interpretation is scientific
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both for the field and the power of it
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okay
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well there are a lot of elements to this
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scientifically and otherwise and as you
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know
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we’ve talked about you know i’m very
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interested in consciousness research as
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you
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are um we what we know
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is that we are all connected that
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there is what i like to call a psychic
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internet
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that connects us all that is non-local
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that goes beyond time and even
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you know space and even time
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now to give you a wonderful example of
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that as i told you i’ve been doing these
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intention experiments
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and back in 2007
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i ran a seed experiment i was in sydney
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australia
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the seeds were set up by a
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scientist at the university of arizona
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dr gary schwartz
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whose lab set up four sets of seeds
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labeled abcd
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sent me all sort four photos
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we randomly chose one the audience sent
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an intention
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to that set of seeds we didn’t tell the
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scientists which ones we were sending
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intention to and
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when we were done we called the
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scientists that was their cue
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to plant all four sets of seeds
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and they measured them five days later
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then we unblinded the study and it
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turned out that the seeds
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that were given the intention sent the
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intention
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grew significantly higher than controls
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now let’s just unpack this for a second
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first of all me and my audience were in
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sydney australia
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the seeds were sitting in tucson arizona
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8 000 miles away
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and we weren’t sending attention to the
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seeds we were sending intention to a
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photograph
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of the seeds you know a symbol of the
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seeds
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nevertheless we had an effect and we ran
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that five more times
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in different locations and also with my
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audience over the internet and every
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single time
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the seeds sent in tension grew
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significantly higher than
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controls so what i’ve seen with that
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and what i’ve seen with other
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experiments using other scientists
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people like dr constantine krotkov who
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measures
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subtle changes in the atmosphere local
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atmosphere
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he has equipment and he’s situated in st
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petersburg russia
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well i just ran several experiments but
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one i’ll tell you about
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i was in miami and we sent intention to
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a vial of water in
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st petersburg and we had eight
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massive shift in his equipment
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the what he calls the capacitance of
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his equipment his ability the ability of
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the atmosphere to store
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charge so there is this extraordinary
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psychic internet that we create that i
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think is enhanced when we are
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all coming together with what is
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essentially
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secular prayer so with our power vape
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groups
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there is the power of intention there’s
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no question that we
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are um trespassers
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our thoughts are trespassers that you
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know we’re all leaky buckets
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and our thoughts can go into other
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places
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and affect other people and things
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but also there were other elements with
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our power vape groups that i have
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i have witnessed and one of the big
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elements about it is
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the power of altruism now
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i run every year i started doing this in
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2015
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really to try to understand what happens
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with these groups if they continue to
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meet
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week after week after week do they heal
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everything in their lives
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do they get a better response what goes
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on if it’s consistent
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so the first year in 2015 i put
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people i i had a master class a
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year-long class so i taught them all the
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rudimentaries that i knew about
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intention
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then put them into groups and had them
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work together while i monitored what was
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going on with them
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month by month by month and i found that
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very quickly
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people had remarkable healings not only
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in their
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health but also in their life we had
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people like
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mitchell dean who had lifelong
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depression
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a clinical psychologist so it was really
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awful
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for him not a good look and he not only
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healed that
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but overcame writer’s block uh lost 15
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pounds
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you know he everything in his life kind
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of shifted into place
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but some people weren’t getting anywhere
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so i remember saying to one woman her
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name was
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andy andy was a
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young woman who had two she was going
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through a divorce had two young children
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needed a job and
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wasn’t getting anywhere with her group
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and we tried all kinds of stuff and i
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finally just said
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oh andy get off of yourself starting
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intending for someone else and
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so she did and i had uh
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on my website we do intentions of the
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week
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for for three people with health
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challenges every week
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and somebody had written in a stepfather
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about
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his 15 year old stepson who had
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tried to commit suicide after breaking
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up with his first serious girlfriend he
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was only 15
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and in a fit of adolescent angst threw
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himself off a 40-foot structure
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onto hard ground so he broke everything
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in his body and they didn’t even think
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he was going to live so our group
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sent healing intentions successful
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successive
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sundays for him while his stepfather
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kept a running commentary about what was
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going on
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he seemed to improve very quickly
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at the time and there were big jumps up
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in improvement
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at the times we did intention and he got
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out of the hospital in record time he’s
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now
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a totally healthy 18 year old now maybe
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we did that maybe we didn’t maybe it was
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just good doctoring
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but what was fascinating to me is that
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the moment
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andy andy got off of herself
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she gets a call out of nowhere from
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someone she doesn’t even know
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offering her her dream job now that has
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happened
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too many times over the years for me to
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consider this
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coincidence anymore so
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altruism plays a big part deepak
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and i started looking at that i started
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looking at the science of altruism
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and it was really fascinating to me
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because
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altruism is like a bulletproof vest
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people who do things for other people no
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matter how tiny
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live longer healthier happier lives it’s
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extraordinary
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if you’re ill and you help other people
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with the same illness
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you are more likely to get better and
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the science is is very clear about it
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uh even one brilliant study
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i loved looking at using prayer
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for depressives found they
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they got hold of this was a psychologist
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who ran the study who was also a priest
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wanted to see if prayer could heal
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mental illness and not just physical
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illness as has been demonstrated in
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other studies
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so he got hold of 400 people with
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clinical depression puts them into two
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groups
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has one group getting the prayer
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and the other group giving the prayer
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and afterward
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he measured them through all kinds of
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psychological parameters
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and he found that the people who
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received the prayer got better
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but nowhere near as good or as
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improved as the people who had given the
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prayer
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so that’s a kind of perfect
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demonstration of of the power of
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altruism you know and there’s a group
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effect
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too in these little small groups what uh
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the
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psychologist emil durkheim called
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a collective effervescence but there’s
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also an x factor here
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that i can’t explain that is
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probably slightly beyond our
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understanding
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but i think it has to do with entering
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into a state of oneness
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where we move out of our corporeal sense
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of separation that we all
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swim around in and we feel
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what oneness really feels like
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okay so lynn you’ve done an amazing job
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explaining your work and the two books
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are very
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very important books the field and the
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power of eight
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i’d like our audience to read them
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if they have the time ability or desire
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but let me explain to you why this work
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is important in shifting
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our paradigm and our understanding of
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what
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is reality i’m going to share that with
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you and then i’m going to ask you to
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briefly comment and
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we can’t go on for more than next 10
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15 minutes even though this is a very
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fascinating conversation
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so as you know i’m of course a student
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of vedanta and kashmir shaivism and all
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the
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non-dual traditions and i’m also
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a neuroendocrinologist by training
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but in the last 30 years focused only on
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unraveling the mystery of what we call
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reality and it turns out it’s it’s
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it’s it’s a mystery that
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appears unsolvable but actually there’s
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a very
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very deep understanding of it
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in the traditions of yoga so let me
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share with you
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that understanding so right now in the
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world of science
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the the majority of scientists believe
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that matter
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is the oncological primitive of the
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universe that
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physical matter which means atoms force
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fields
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particles uh vehicles gravity
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all of these somehow come up come
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about together to create
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everything that we call the universe and
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as you know this is called the heart
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problem of consciousness how do force
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fields atoms molecules brain activity
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which is basically
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only the shift of ions across cell
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membranes
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how does that create the experience of
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what we call the physical world
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there’s no explanation for that and
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so there’s another group of people as
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you know
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some of them we’ve engaged with like
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philosophers like bernardo castro
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and many other idealists so say no the
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nature of the physical world is ideas
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and thoughts and feelings and emotions
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and images what we call sensations
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perceptions
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images feelings thoughts which are
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modified forms of consciousness
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therefore mind is the only reality mind
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thought
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is the only reality vedanta says no
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the both the mind and the physical world
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are symbolic representations of a deeper
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non-local impersonal consciousness
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deeper non-local impersonal
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consciousness
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and for lack of a better word is called
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pure consciousness
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pure consciousness means it hasn’t been
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conditioned
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by stories whatever the story is you
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know
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you are telling me a story and i’m
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telling you a story
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pure consciousness has not been
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conditioned by
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economic stories religious stories
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ancestral stories archetypal stories all
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those are important
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in giving us the experience of the world
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their stories and what is real
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is just this thing called pure
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consciousness
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which is irreducible which is without
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cause
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which has no existence in space or in
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time
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which modifies itself
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simultaneously as thoughts
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images intentions attention
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that activity we call the mind but it’s
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a symbolic representation
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of consciousness modifying itself into
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an experience that we call
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mental experience but it also
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simultaneously motivates itself
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into perceptions so
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when you look at something when i look
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at you
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at the screen that requires attention it
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requires
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intention because i could choose not to
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look at the screen i could look there
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i could look there and between this look
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and that look
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is pure consciousness which is doing the
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looking
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okay but what you look at out there
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this this this includes this this is
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part of the activity
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so this is not separate from that
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activity that activity or this activity
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or the brain activity it’s one activity
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in consciousness
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modifying itself as innumerable
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innumerable conditioned minds the mind
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is individual
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but it is a product of a conscious
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agent the conscious agent which
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religious traditions could call soul i
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don’t care what you call it
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you and i are conscious agents
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having a unique experience a unique
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mental experience a unique
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what we call physical experience but the
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physical experience is also mental
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activities perceptual activity
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consciousness
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modifying itself into hearing into
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testing into touching into sensation
25:16
into seeing so in every experience there
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are three components
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a seer a mode of seeing
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and a scenery so the seer is the
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individual
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nor the seeing is the mode of
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knowing and that which is seen the
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scenery is that which is known
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all happening in the conditioned mind
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which is like
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plato’s cave projecting
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in symbols or images or
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illusions or virtual reality so right
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now
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we’re doing that we’re projecting
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virtual reality
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across the planet whoever is in this
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bandwidth of
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awareness which is a very restricted
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bandwidth
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zoom this link whoever is within that
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is part of our collective consciousness
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right now
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okay and each of us is a conscious agent
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but even our
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physical body is part of the scenery
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the mental body is part of the scenery
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as much as this book
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or this hand or this pen they’re all
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one unified experience not
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interconnected inseparable okay
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so then of course when i talk to my
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nobel laureate physicist
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and i’ve been doing this this week they
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say that why
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can i wiggle my toes and i can’t wiggle
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your toes
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okay and this is a very valid point
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you know i can pick this phone through
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an intention
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but i can’t pick it up through an
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intention very valid point
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okay why can’t i experience right now
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exactly what you’re thinking why can’t i
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see the
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image exactly for example i’m imagining
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right now even as i speak to you i’m
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imagining the empire state building but
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you didn’t know that
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till i told you so why can’t you do that
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this is very valid
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so my answer to that is there are
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degrees
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of fulfillment of intentionality
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i of course i can lift my hand up like
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this but i can also
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ask you lin will you please lift your
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hand up and then
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you lift your hand up so i’m influencing
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your consciousness
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but even more than that if i if you’re
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experiencing trauma or pain somebody
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hits you
27:41
i wince why because i feel the pain that
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empathy
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and there’s a neural correlate right my
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limbic brain
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and your limbic brain synchronizes at
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that moment i feel
27:52
empathy and then if i’m
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deeply resonating
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with you as a conscious agent at the
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level of the conditioned mind
28:04
if i’m deeply then that elicits from me
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the desire to alleviate your suffering
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which is called compassion which you
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call altruism
28:14
and then i actually act on it i do
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something
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i act with love in action
28:20
and because i’m coming from a place of
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inseparability
28:25
not connectedness inseparability then
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that intention
28:28
organizes its own fulfillment because
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it’s all one field as you say in your
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book
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it’s all one field and it’s not the
28:34
electromagnetic field even though the
28:36
electromagnetic field is an
28:38
agent right now the electromagnetic
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field is an
28:41
agent for us in this conversation but
28:44
behind that is a consciousness field
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the vedanta says in lord in the
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bhagavad-gita
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lord krishna who represents pure
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consciousness
28:54
speaks to arjuna who represents the
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spiritual warrior but he’s the
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conditioned mind
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okay and he’s confused you know how do i
29:03
win the battle because these enemies are
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actually my own shadows
29:08
he asked that question and lord krishna
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says
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i am the field and i am the knower of
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the field
29:15
okay so we are as conscious agents not
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only the field we
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know the field as ourself as our true
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self
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beyond the ego mind and so when we come
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collectively
29:27
in that field we influence the tickling
29:29
of you tickle the field
29:31
and then the whole field reorganizes
29:33
itself
29:34
so even as i’m speaking to you right now
29:37
actually that’s extra sensory
29:40
i’m moving right now just by speaking
29:43
and you’re listening i’m moving
29:46
electrochemicals in your brain
29:48
and so are we moving electrochemicals in
29:51
the brain
29:52
of everybody who’s watching us right now
29:55
so we are actually
29:56
psychically influencing each other and
29:59
changing the space-time geometry of the
30:02
universe
30:03
just in this conversation so that’s the
30:06
basis
30:07
that’s the basis of
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what we call the infinite organizing
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part
30:15
of intention that’s the basis so this
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field this pure consciousness
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not only is infinite possibilities
30:23
it’s the source of attention and
30:25
intention it organizes
30:28
its fulfillment through synchronicity
30:30
which is what you’ve been talking about
30:32
non-local correlation and
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it is also in a way
30:39
unpredictable because without
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unpredictability there’s no creative
30:44
power to intention
30:45
if everything is an algorithm what’s the
30:47
creativity right
30:49
so um that’s where we are
30:52
okay and if you agree with this
30:55
model then you know we have a non-profit
30:59
called neveralone.love look at look it
31:02
up
31:03
it’s for suicide prevention amongst
31:05
teenagers
31:07
and amongst other people we even have an
31:09
ai chatbot
31:10
over there if perhaps we could
31:14
add to your experiments on intention
31:17
through
31:18
our non-profit it could help a lot of
31:21
people with
31:23
depression and suicidal ideation i would
31:26
uh
31:26
love to do that and we can talk about
31:28
that further
31:30
um one of the things too that i’ve been
31:32
experimenting with with the intention
31:34
experiment and by the way i just wanted
31:35
to say
31:37
that was wonderful that whole
31:40
description of connection and
31:43
consciousness
31:44
so succinctly put and and
31:47
tying it so much together and it it
31:50
started me thinking too that seems to be
31:53
the experience
31:55
that um that distinguishes
31:58
between an intention that works and
32:00
doesn’t in these
32:01
power vape groups because the people
32:04
when they describe
32:05
the people who are um healed let me give
32:08
you an example
32:10
maya last summer last time i spoke in
32:13
person before covid
32:15
i had an audience of about 700 put them
32:17
into groups at the end of my talk
32:19
asked them to do healing intention for a
32:21
member of the group
32:22
one of them was a woman in a wheelchair
32:25
at the very end i usually ask anybody
32:28
who got a comment and
32:29
did anything happen and maya this is the
32:32
most dramatic one i’ve ever had
32:34
was told by her group to tell her story
32:37
and she got up out of her wheelchair
32:39
and you know she was paralyzed from the
32:41
neck down i was so
32:43
stunned by this i called her afterward i
32:46
got hold of her number and said
32:47
what happened where what was the thing
32:51
that changed and she described
32:54
having so much love coming from this
32:57
group of strangers
32:59
that she entered into a different state
33:01
and it was a state of
33:03
essentially oneness really experiencing
33:06
that but it was almost too much for her
33:08
so she passed it on to another relative
33:11
and it was once again this kind of
33:14
feeling of being out of her body
33:16
and being at one with the universe and
33:20
the moment she did that her wheelchair
33:22
the wheels of her wheelchair felt like
33:24
they were going through the floor
33:26
and that seems to be a common
33:28
description
33:29
that people in these power of eight
33:31
groups talk about
33:33
is and we saw this with brain research
33:36
when we did some with life university
33:38
largest chiropractic university in the
33:40
world
33:41
they did some brain research on power
33:43
vape groups
33:44
and we found a lowering of all the parts
33:48
of the brain that make us feel separate
33:50
for instance like the parietal lobes
33:52
that help us navigate through space
33:55
and what they concluded was that
33:58
and also parts of the brain that are
34:00
involved worry doubt negativity
34:02
these were people who were experiencing
34:04
a state of oneness
34:06
very much like a buddhist monk in the
34:08
midst of ecstatic prayer
34:11
so i think it’s getting out of that
34:13
sense of separation
34:15
almost having a taste of what pure
34:17
consciousness
34:18
is that proves to be this
34:21
this healer that’s beautiful then
34:25
and we’d like to continue um
34:28
experiments with you if you’re if you’re
34:31
amenable
34:32
and see how we can enhance the power of
34:36
intention to reach a
34:37
critical mass and i invite you to have a
34:40
conversation
34:41
with our ceo at the chopra foundation
34:47
and and one of the other founders of
34:50
never alone if you’re amenable
34:52
i would love to do that and one of the
34:55
things that i’m doing
34:56
right now is intention experiments i
34:58
just ran
34:59
one yesterday bringing together
35:03
polarized individuals so yesterday we
35:06
had
35:06
republicans democrats african-americans
35:11
police members of the police department
35:13
former jihadis
35:15
and um people who believed that the
35:18
election
35:19
was a conspiracy and all kinds of people
35:22
together and we did an
35:23
intention together because and i i’ve
35:26
done this earlier with
35:28
uh with arabs and israelis we did a big
35:32
one a couple of years ago
35:33
let’s do one together on peace harmony
35:36
laughter and love together
35:38
i would love to do that that would be
35:40
brilliant because
35:42
something about this process seems to
35:44
allow the heart to
35:45
leap across the fence amazing thank you
35:49
lynn
35:49
mcduckart if you agree we
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